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10 Questions for Conductor Marin Alsop

10 Questions for Conductor Marin Alsop

The first female conductor of the Last Night of the Proms speaks out about gender

Marin Alsop: 'There are so many fields where there are still firsts for women -we don't talk about that enough'

Marin Alsop may be one of America’s leading conductors, with stints as music director of the Colorado, Eugene and Richmond symphony orchestras, not to mention positions at the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, Royal Scottish National Orchestra, City of London Sinfonia, and of course her current roles at the head of the Baltimore and São Paulo State Symphony orchestras, but apparently none of that is as important as the fact that she’s a woman.

Taking up the baton as the first female conductor of the Last Night of the Proms, Alsop is once again in the spotlight for the gender-discussions that have followed her throughout her career. She’s a passionate and articulate advocate for women’s equality, and as founder of the Taki Concordia Fellowship has done more than most to advance the cause of women on the podium. Before she once again steps up to show the world who really wears the (Union Jack-printed) trousers, Alsop speaks to theartsdesk about musical firsts, fellowships and female conductors.

ALEXANDRA COGHLAN: Did you realise immediately when you were asked that you were the first woman to conduct at the Last Night of the Proms?

MARIN ALSOP: I only realised after they told me. My first thought certainly wasn’t “Oh my goodness, I’m going to be the first woman”. That’s never my first thought!

Was it surprising to you that you were?

It’s surprising that it has taken this long.

Do you think it’s an omission of accident rather than intent?

Well that’s the big question, isn’t it? It’s shocking to me that I still come across these firsts so frequently. I am surprised, and a little bit disappointed, that there can still be so many firsts for women in this profession. I don’t know why that is. All I can say is that I’m hoping that there will be a fat succession of many women once I break through the sound barrier.

Do your resent that it’s always you having to break new ground? I was astonished, reading your CV, to discover that you were the first woman to record a Mahler symphony with a major orchestra – it seems unbelievable.

There just haven’t been that many women in the position where they can do these kinds of things. I had a funny experience when I conducted the Concertgebouw Orchestra and they sent out a press release saying that I was the first woman in however many hundred years. They had to retract the statement because it turned out that there had been one woman who conducted one piece 100 hundred years ago. You have to keep a good sense of humour about it all. It gives me a tremendous opportunity to raise awareness about the broader issue, which doesn’t seem to be on a lot of people’s radar. And it’s not just in my profession, though it is more obvious here because it is such an obviously conservative, old-fashioned field. There are so many fields where there are still firsts for women and it’s not something that we talk about enough.

You founded the Taki Concordia Fellowship for female conductors. How does the programme work?

When I started conducting I sort of assumed that in 10 years’ time that there would be a lot of women in the field. Then I found myself looking around 30 years later and not finding many; it’s still kind of lonely out there. I realised that part of the problem and the challenge is that in conducting you can’t practise your instrument until you are in front of 100 people. The pressure is enormous, and you need to have somewhere to make some mistakes to allow you to experiment. But when you might only ever have one opportunity that’s not the moment to take some risks and to find your way. So really I wanted to try and create a fellowship where I give talented young women the opportunity to learn and make mistakes – all the things that are so critical to one’s development. So I set up this fellowship in 2002.

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What have the results been like?

Well we’ve just appointed the eighth recipient. Three of our former fellows are now music directors of American orchestras now, and they are all working successfully. My goal was not only to give female conductors opportunities out of the huge spotlight, but to give musicians and audiences the opportunity to see a variety of women on the podium, not just me. I think that’s really important because society gets used to these things very slowly so you just have to keep kicking away at expectations. It’s just about comfort level for people – they aren’t used to it, so I am trying to create more opportunities for them to.

Conducting is the art of translating physical gesture into sound. Is there something in female gesture as opposed to male gesture, because of the difference in the physicality, that translates into different responses from an orchestra?

Everything we do is about gesture and the way humanity interprets gestures. The same gesture from a woman and a man is completely different. I talk to conductors a lot about trying to neutralise or de-genderise their gestures so that there are no stereotypical associations. As a woman conductor if you extend your little finger on your baton hand it looks like you’re having tea – unconsciously people will find it lightweight. If a man does it it’s usually interpreted as a gesture of sensitivity. You really have to really go through your physical vocabulary and analyse it from many different levels.

Who are the other female conductors working today that you admire particularly?

JoAnn Falletta (pictured left), who is the music director at Buffalo and also in Dublin, has been doing very well on a parallel career to mine. Among the up-and-comings there are some wonderful conductors. I would name all my Taki alumni, who are doing incredibly. It’s a very exciting time for women in the field. The best story I ever heard on this subejct was from a conductor a generation before me – Catherine Comet. She took her small daughter, who had only ever previously been to her mother’s concerts, to another performance. When the conductor came onto stage she said loudly to Catherine: “Mummy, look, it’s a man!” It’s all a matter of perception.

You brought the São Paulo State Symphony Orchestra to the Proms last year. What is so special about the festival?

It’s just a huge celebration. There’s a party atmosphere and I think it’s a moment for people to share unity and let their hair down and enjoy things in a way you might not do every day. We had such a great time at the Proms last year. There was such a great patriotic feeling in the hall, with so many people waving Brazilian flags. For me the Last Night is particularly significant and meaningful because the UK is a second home for me. I think that British musicians are at the absolute top of the food chain. They are passionate, work so hard, and have a great sense of humour. Those are my three favourite qualities in any performers.

And you’ll be working with Joyce DiDonato for the first time…

Yes. I’m very excited because although I know Joyce I’ve never worked with her, and the same thing is true of Nigel Kennedy. So it’ll be an evening of firsts for everyone!

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